06-28-2009, 06:12 PM
I'll deal with most of this later. We've reached the point where bifurcation has descended into chaos.
One comment: You complain there is no consensus on global warming, and link me to Steven Milloy, a notorious industry stooge, and nothing even resembling a climatologist. If you're relying on him for your information, no wonder you have a strange view of what's scientific consensus and what isn't. This is a man *paid to lie to you*.
If you want actual climate scientists, I'd start at realclimate.com. If you're looking for the "NASA" of climate change, here they are: some of them actually work for NASA itself, among other institutions.
From there, the IPCC reports are widely available, and pretty much straight down the mainstream of climate science. No hysteria, no imminent apocalypse, just the simple facts: it is overwhelmingly likely that if we do not substantially cut our carbon emissions, the planet will warm between two and six degrees over the next century, with profound (and negative) impact on the environment.
If you don't like that, try the meta-studies. They all show more or less the same thing.
And if you don't like that, keep listening to Steven Milloy. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to keep selling you a load of crap.
-Jester
One comment: You complain there is no consensus on global warming, and link me to Steven Milloy, a notorious industry stooge, and nothing even resembling a climatologist. If you're relying on him for your information, no wonder you have a strange view of what's scientific consensus and what isn't. This is a man *paid to lie to you*.
If you want actual climate scientists, I'd start at realclimate.com. If you're looking for the "NASA" of climate change, here they are: some of them actually work for NASA itself, among other institutions.
From there, the IPCC reports are widely available, and pretty much straight down the mainstream of climate science. No hysteria, no imminent apocalypse, just the simple facts: it is overwhelmingly likely that if we do not substantially cut our carbon emissions, the planet will warm between two and six degrees over the next century, with profound (and negative) impact on the environment.
If you don't like that, try the meta-studies. They all show more or less the same thing.
And if you don't like that, keep listening to Steven Milloy. I'm sure he'll be more than happy to keep selling you a load of crap.
-Jester