12-30-2004, 11:55 PM
Forgive me for perhaps having bad memory but I will try my best.
>And according to JG?s, ?magic traps includes Fire Wall, Flame Wave and Ring of
>Fire attacks from other players. ? Now this cannot be an all-inclusive list in an of
>itself: the Firebolt trap and Nova trap are definitely magic traps and yet are not
>mentioned.
Of course. What I mean here is that those three spells casted by players will attack as if they are magic traps, not as if they originate from a player. All traps listed in the trap section are magic traps except the pure arrow. This is in part explained better in the battle chapter perhaps. Although I can agree it might seem confusing.
>Lightning trap: if you stand in the tile through which the lightning passes, you
>take appropriate damage. It is unblockable. Thus, 100% to hit? (doing 40%
>damage?)
No, the bolts will attack you each frame and with a chance to hit of 40% each frame. Since the duration is 8 frames, you will have 8 attacks, each with a 40% chance to hit. I suppose that means once every 60 time or so, you should never be hit. I have never tested that though.
>Nova: again, if you stand in a tile adjacent to the chest from which the Nova
>originates, youWILL take damage, the question only being how much. Thus,
>100% to hit? (doing 40% damage?)
Each nova bolt will try to hit you once, but since there are many bolts in a nova spell, and since there are only 8 tiles arround the chest, you will have multiple bolts trying to hit you (as oposed to a lightning which is actually a stationary bolt trying to hit you several times.
>Ring of Fire trap: again, you stand in the tile that has fire in it, you take damage,
>the only question being how much -- so, 100% to hit? (doing 40% damage?)
Same as lighting, stationary flames each attacking every frame. You might be hit by more than 1 flame though since they overlap.
>Barrel traps: treated like Firebolt, can be blocked, yet if you stand in a tile that is
>NOT going to be hit with barrel trap damage, you take none, yet if you stand in a
>tile that IS to take barrel trap damage, there is a 100% chance you?ll be hit with a
>chance you?ll block the damage?
It is treated as if a firebolt is set of into your location, think of it as a stationary firebolt fired into your location, it will try to hit once and then it is removed.
>And what about PvP? JG?s states: ?magic traps includes Fire Wall, Flame Wave
>and Ring of Fire attacks from other players. ? Shouldn?t this be testable? Go PvP
>and cast a Flame Wave at an opponent -- rather than take the damage listed in
>the caster?s spell book, the opponent should only take at maximum 40% of that
>damage (assuming 0% fire resists and no shield to block with)?
No, the damage is based on the player casting it (see guide for values), the tohit is as if it was a trap though (basically 40%).
> It wouldn?t be
>that the Flame Wave would ?hit? only 40% of the time, but that it would hit doing
>40% of the damage? Or, does Flame Wave actually MISS 60% of the time in
>PvP?
Yes, but then typically you are hit by 2 or 3 different flames, each frame!
>So, what does this actual 40% to hit of Magic Traps mean?
That each time they try to hit you, there is a 40% chance they actually do :)
>Ok, and now we get to the lovely Fire-arrow trap, bane of many an IM game. Is
>the Fire-arrow trap an ?arrow trap? for to hit purposes, or a ?magic trap??
If I rrecall correctly, it is an arrow that then sets of a fire effect "spell". I have a whole subchapter on this if I recall correctly.
> This
>matters quite a bit, since if it has arrow trap to hit, one should try to max AC so
>that the trap won?t hit in the first place. If it is Magic trap to hit and has the
>autohit value of 40%, then AC be darned and go for the fire resistance or -dfe
>instead. Or, does the Arrow have to hit FIRST (thus arrow trap to hit
>considerations) and the Fire damage rendered afterwards ?hit? 40% of the time
>(of doing only 40% of its damage)? Thus go all out AC to try to make the durn
>arrow miss in the first place?
I would say that yes, high AC helps, but this is from pure memory, I don't recall it well.
>And just how does the fire damage (assuming you?ve been hit by the arrow)
>actually take place? If it takes place much like fire and lightning arrows on bows,
>then according to JG?s: ?as soon as the fire or lightning arrow hits and has done
>its non magical damage, the effect will switch into a fire or lightning damage
>attack, quite similar to the one spawned for melee attacks. This extra fire or
>lightning attack will, as opposed to with melee attacks, hit more than once and
>will try 7 times (9 if fire) before it ends.?
Yes, the fire arrow is the exact same as from a bow.
>Do we assume that the physical arrow itself of the Fire arrow trap does 0
>damage, and the damage comes from the fire? Being a fire arrow, the damage
>will try to strike you 9 times before it ends? If you have no fire resists, is this
>blockable? Some of it? None of it? All of it? Is it possible to block the _arrow_
>yet still take the fire damage (thus, it would be better not to even use a shield?)?
I don't remember how it is, there is both damage on the arrow and on the resulting fire attack, just as for a fire arrow from a player if I recall correctly.
>And just how does this fire damage take place? If it happens ?over time?, does
>the damage strike you sequentially (i.e., you get hit nine separate times over the
>course of ?Speed/Duration 32?? Or is all the damage calculated to hit you in one
>massive strike)?
Check the chapter dealing with the firearrow (loghting arrow), it explains in detail, it is the exact same for a trap fire arrow.
>And where does blocking enter into this? If you have no fire resists, can you
>?block? the fire damage even though the ?arrow? has hit you? Would you still
>take the multiple damage (nine times) or can you block some of it? After all, you
>can block the fire damage of a Firebolt trap.
I don't remember well. I guess I could always go and read the guide but that seems to not help to make it clear?
Did the above help?
>And according to JG?s, ?magic traps includes Fire Wall, Flame Wave and Ring of
>Fire attacks from other players. ? Now this cannot be an all-inclusive list in an of
>itself: the Firebolt trap and Nova trap are definitely magic traps and yet are not
>mentioned.
Of course. What I mean here is that those three spells casted by players will attack as if they are magic traps, not as if they originate from a player. All traps listed in the trap section are magic traps except the pure arrow. This is in part explained better in the battle chapter perhaps. Although I can agree it might seem confusing.
>Lightning trap: if you stand in the tile through which the lightning passes, you
>take appropriate damage. It is unblockable. Thus, 100% to hit? (doing 40%
>damage?)
No, the bolts will attack you each frame and with a chance to hit of 40% each frame. Since the duration is 8 frames, you will have 8 attacks, each with a 40% chance to hit. I suppose that means once every 60 time or so, you should never be hit. I have never tested that though.
>Nova: again, if you stand in a tile adjacent to the chest from which the Nova
>originates, youWILL take damage, the question only being how much. Thus,
>100% to hit? (doing 40% damage?)
Each nova bolt will try to hit you once, but since there are many bolts in a nova spell, and since there are only 8 tiles arround the chest, you will have multiple bolts trying to hit you (as oposed to a lightning which is actually a stationary bolt trying to hit you several times.
>Ring of Fire trap: again, you stand in the tile that has fire in it, you take damage,
>the only question being how much -- so, 100% to hit? (doing 40% damage?)
Same as lighting, stationary flames each attacking every frame. You might be hit by more than 1 flame though since they overlap.
>Barrel traps: treated like Firebolt, can be blocked, yet if you stand in a tile that is
>NOT going to be hit with barrel trap damage, you take none, yet if you stand in a
>tile that IS to take barrel trap damage, there is a 100% chance you?ll be hit with a
>chance you?ll block the damage?
It is treated as if a firebolt is set of into your location, think of it as a stationary firebolt fired into your location, it will try to hit once and then it is removed.
>And what about PvP? JG?s states: ?magic traps includes Fire Wall, Flame Wave
>and Ring of Fire attacks from other players. ? Shouldn?t this be testable? Go PvP
>and cast a Flame Wave at an opponent -- rather than take the damage listed in
>the caster?s spell book, the opponent should only take at maximum 40% of that
>damage (assuming 0% fire resists and no shield to block with)?
No, the damage is based on the player casting it (see guide for values), the tohit is as if it was a trap though (basically 40%).
> It wouldn?t be
>that the Flame Wave would ?hit? only 40% of the time, but that it would hit doing
>40% of the damage? Or, does Flame Wave actually MISS 60% of the time in
>PvP?
Yes, but then typically you are hit by 2 or 3 different flames, each frame!
>So, what does this actual 40% to hit of Magic Traps mean?
That each time they try to hit you, there is a 40% chance they actually do :)
>Ok, and now we get to the lovely Fire-arrow trap, bane of many an IM game. Is
>the Fire-arrow trap an ?arrow trap? for to hit purposes, or a ?magic trap??
If I rrecall correctly, it is an arrow that then sets of a fire effect "spell". I have a whole subchapter on this if I recall correctly.
> This
>matters quite a bit, since if it has arrow trap to hit, one should try to max AC so
>that the trap won?t hit in the first place. If it is Magic trap to hit and has the
>autohit value of 40%, then AC be darned and go for the fire resistance or -dfe
>instead. Or, does the Arrow have to hit FIRST (thus arrow trap to hit
>considerations) and the Fire damage rendered afterwards ?hit? 40% of the time
>(of doing only 40% of its damage)? Thus go all out AC to try to make the durn
>arrow miss in the first place?
I would say that yes, high AC helps, but this is from pure memory, I don't recall it well.
>And just how does the fire damage (assuming you?ve been hit by the arrow)
>actually take place? If it takes place much like fire and lightning arrows on bows,
>then according to JG?s: ?as soon as the fire or lightning arrow hits and has done
>its non magical damage, the effect will switch into a fire or lightning damage
>attack, quite similar to the one spawned for melee attacks. This extra fire or
>lightning attack will, as opposed to with melee attacks, hit more than once and
>will try 7 times (9 if fire) before it ends.?
Yes, the fire arrow is the exact same as from a bow.
>Do we assume that the physical arrow itself of the Fire arrow trap does 0
>damage, and the damage comes from the fire? Being a fire arrow, the damage
>will try to strike you 9 times before it ends? If you have no fire resists, is this
>blockable? Some of it? None of it? All of it? Is it possible to block the _arrow_
>yet still take the fire damage (thus, it would be better not to even use a shield?)?
I don't remember how it is, there is both damage on the arrow and on the resulting fire attack, just as for a fire arrow from a player if I recall correctly.
>And just how does this fire damage take place? If it happens ?over time?, does
>the damage strike you sequentially (i.e., you get hit nine separate times over the
>course of ?Speed/Duration 32?? Or is all the damage calculated to hit you in one
>massive strike)?
Check the chapter dealing with the firearrow (loghting arrow), it explains in detail, it is the exact same for a trap fire arrow.
>And where does blocking enter into this? If you have no fire resists, can you
>?block? the fire damage even though the ?arrow? has hit you? Would you still
>take the multiple damage (nine times) or can you block some of it? After all, you
>can block the fire damage of a Firebolt trap.
I don't remember well. I guess I could always go and read the guide but that seems to not help to make it clear?
Did the above help?
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