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[Sir_Die_alot]

But you forget that I come from a country where there is real freedom like there should be. No freedom to own guns, but freedom to drink a beer when you are 17 years old for example.

Oh I'm sorry you're right. You are completely objective and the Netherlands is obviously devoid of nationalistic propoganda. </sarcasm> That first sentance alone drips with the propoganda that no doubt inspired it. Just because someone disagrees with you on what "freedom" "should be" does not make them wrong and you right. The only true "free" countries in this world are horrible places because there is no enforced law.

Another nice feature is that unlike other countries we have quite a good independent media.

As Occhi said there is no independant media. Someone has to run it and just because that person is "independant" of the government does not mean they will (or even can) avoid slanting the news one way or the other. Indeed thanks to Fox, I've found I rather perfer a reporter that is up front about their personal political views so I can have a point of referance when they deliver a story. With CNN and their attempt at objectivity I'm left wondering "What did they not tell me this time?".

And the relative amount of propaganda is a lot lower.

Just because you agree with the propoganda does not make it something else. It's harder to see propoganda when it is something you agree with because you just accept it. The fact you see it at all tells me there is plenty.

I'm sure that if the US had the same kind of media as in Holland, it would be a lot more a land of the free.

Here you go again. No nationalistic pride there. You are a completely independant objective individual.

Holland is a geographicly small country, and for this reason you don't get a lot of different thinking people. I'm not saying you all think the same but the majority of people who live in an area tend to think similarly. You, your neighbor, and some guy 50 miles away most likely agree on most things politically and socially, but compair Holland and the US geographically. Stick the continental US on Europe and depending on how you swing the land mass we stretch well into Russa, central Africa, or even into northern Iran. Now granted due to the majority of the people in America having similar roots there is not that much divide. However you get an idea of how widly people's opinions, and therefore medias, can and do vary in America in ways that could not be mirriored in Holland.