Thanks for the info Kandrathe I knew I could count on you. :D
[/QUOTE]Thankfully. The death knell of a democracy is when the people selfishly vote themselves money from the State. Socialism and Communism only work as ideologies. The reality is that some worker had to produce more at personal expense to accommodate the ones that are not contributing. Ideally, only the infirm, elderly, and children, etc are the ones we are subsidizing. But, once the mechanism is in place that removes the negative consequences for complacency, more and more people find that they can rely on the State to provide for their needs and do not contribute as they should. Look at unemployment in Britain, or Germany as examples. The problems with our current system are when the successful use their wealth to prevent others from attaining a similar success. There is a happy medium between giving a person a fish, and teaching the person to fish for themselves. In the former case, the person is dependant on you and subject to your will, and in the later case that person can tell you to take a hike if they so desire. So that is why I'm a bigger advocate for educating rather than subsidizing. [QUOTE]
Well here we used to have a reasonable socialistic society (untill 10 years) ago, and that is what made the country great. There were a lot of incorrect things going on (like people getting unemployment money just because they didn't want to work) but in total I think it was a small percentage. No with socialism I mean to have a security net for people that for some reason cannot make ends meet anymore. Socialism and market economie can live very well together, and that would be the perfect system. Like I said, we used to have something like that in Holand, and at that time Holland was the best place to live. Now we have more and more market economie and less socialism, and it is getting worse and worse here.
But anyway the socialism I was mentioning was just an example. If a group of people would organize and vote al together, they could really get things done.
To nystul: I wasn't making a point for socialism or whatever I was trying to give and example, of what a big group of people could do if they would vote.
To ajax: I know the numbers. But to me they are still very big. If we let's say compare the gap between rich and poor, it is a lot bigger in the US than in europe.
[/QUOTE]Thankfully. The death knell of a democracy is when the people selfishly vote themselves money from the State. Socialism and Communism only work as ideologies. The reality is that some worker had to produce more at personal expense to accommodate the ones that are not contributing. Ideally, only the infirm, elderly, and children, etc are the ones we are subsidizing. But, once the mechanism is in place that removes the negative consequences for complacency, more and more people find that they can rely on the State to provide for their needs and do not contribute as they should. Look at unemployment in Britain, or Germany as examples. The problems with our current system are when the successful use their wealth to prevent others from attaining a similar success. There is a happy medium between giving a person a fish, and teaching the person to fish for themselves. In the former case, the person is dependant on you and subject to your will, and in the later case that person can tell you to take a hike if they so desire. So that is why I'm a bigger advocate for educating rather than subsidizing. [QUOTE]
Well here we used to have a reasonable socialistic society (untill 10 years) ago, and that is what made the country great. There were a lot of incorrect things going on (like people getting unemployment money just because they didn't want to work) but in total I think it was a small percentage. No with socialism I mean to have a security net for people that for some reason cannot make ends meet anymore. Socialism and market economie can live very well together, and that would be the perfect system. Like I said, we used to have something like that in Holand, and at that time Holland was the best place to live. Now we have more and more market economie and less socialism, and it is getting worse and worse here.
But anyway the socialism I was mentioning was just an example. If a group of people would organize and vote al together, they could really get things done.
To nystul: I wasn't making a point for socialism or whatever I was trying to give and example, of what a big group of people could do if they would vote.
To ajax: I know the numbers. But to me they are still very big. If we let's say compare the gap between rich and poor, it is a lot bigger in the US than in europe.