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06-27-2017, 05:47 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdP8TiKY8dE

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06-28-2017, 04:55 AM
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RE: American Pravda
Hi Ashock, you've created a bunch of threads lately that are one-sentence with a link. If you want a discussion (and you do, or you wouldn't be posting it), how about a little more effort put into your point?

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06-28-2017, 03:41 PM (This post was last modified: 06-28-2017 03:42 PM by Ashock.)
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RE: American Pravda
(06-28-2017 04:55 AM)Bolty Wrote:  Hi Ashock, you've created a bunch of threads lately that are one-sentence with a link. If you want a discussion (and you do, or you wouldn't be posting it), how about a little more effort put into your point?

If you watch the vid in the link, it supports my numerous posts regarding the liberal propaganda machine that is known as the "mainstream media". That is one obvious point. The 2nd and even more important one, is that people need to know about this. If you watch only mainstream news or read so-called mainstream sites like let's say Yahoo, then the most you've heard on this subject is that 3 CNN employees were fired or they quit.

People need to know why. This explains it. It also shows CNN, which is the leading news source for so many on the left, to be what it is. The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

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06-28-2017, 07:43 PM
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RE: American Pravda
(06-28-2017 03:41 PM)Ashock Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 04:55 AM)Bolty Wrote:  Hi Ashock, you've created a bunch of threads lately that are one-sentence with a link. If you want a discussion (and you do, or you wouldn't be posting it), how about a little more effort put into your point?

If you watch the vid in the link, it supports my numerous posts regarding the liberal propaganda machine that is known as the "mainstream media". That is one obvious point. The 2nd and even more important one, is that people need to know about this. If you watch only mainstream news or read so-called mainstream sites like let's say Yahoo, then the most you've heard on this subject is that 3 CNN employees were fired or they quit.

People need to know why. This explains it. It also shows CNN, which is the leading news source for so many on the left, to be what it is. The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

Better?

Historically and globaly seen the US democratic is far from left wing.
You have to start understanding in what kind of country you are living and comparing it to other countries.
Since the years of Reagan and Thatcher the western world has shifted so much to the right it is scary, very scary.

And I mean everyone has the right to his own opinions: if you are happy with a class society, if you are happy with 10s of millions of uninsured people, that is your opinion, but don't come with this crap about liberal CNN.
For us CNN would be very much on the right side of the spectrum, and on happines indexes we are usually doing pretty OK.
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06-28-2017, 08:52 PM (This post was last modified: 06-28-2017 09:03 PM by FireIceTalon.)
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RE: American Pravda
(06-28-2017 07:43 PM)eppie Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 03:41 PM)Ashock Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 04:55 AM)Bolty Wrote:  Hi Ashock, you've created a bunch of threads lately that are one-sentence with a link. If you want a discussion (and you do, or you wouldn't be posting it), how about a little more effort put into your point?

If you watch the vid in the link, it supports my numerous posts regarding the liberal propaganda machine that is known as the "mainstream media". That is one obvious point. The 2nd and even more important one, is that people need to know about this. If you watch only mainstream news or read so-called mainstream sites like let's say Yahoo, then the most you've heard on this subject is that 3 CNN employees were fired or they quit.

People need to know why. This explains it. It also shows CNN, which is the leading news source for so many on the left, to be what it is. The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

Better?

Historically and globaly seen the US democratic is far from left wing.
You have to start understanding in what kind of country you are living and comparing it to other countries.
Since the years of Reagan and Thatcher the western world has shifted so much to the right it is scary, very scary.

And I mean everyone has the right to his own opinions: if you are happy with a class society, if you are happy with 10s of millions of uninsured people, that is your opinion, but don't come with this crap about liberal CNN.
For us CNN would be very much on the right side of the spectrum, and on happines indexes we are usually doing pretty OK.

Pretty much this. The US has basically a centrist party (Democrats) and a very far right party (Republicans). There has never actually been a prominent, genuine left-wing party here (The joke that is the CPUSA does NOT count - they are basically democrats that call themselves communist, but every actual communist knows they are a bourgeois liberal party that backs liberal candidates and isn't a revolutionary party even in the slightest). The most prominent American left-wing figure I can think of was Daniel De Leon, a member of the SLP which was probably best example of an American party committed to revolutionary politics, at least for a time.

I've said it many times before, but it bears repeating. Dems and Republicans are two sides to the same capitalist coin, who have far more similarities than they do differences. Their fundamental disagreement is simply how to best manage the affairs of the ruling class. The Dems just happen to be a little better and more efficient at it, since they are looking at the long-term interests of keeping the capitalist system going, whereas Republicans are more vested in the immediate and short-term goals of the capitalists.

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06-28-2017, 09:01 PM (This post was last modified: 06-28-2017 09:02 PM by Ashock.)
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RE: American Pravda
(06-28-2017 07:43 PM)eppie Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 03:41 PM)Ashock Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 04:55 AM)Bolty Wrote:  Hi Ashock, you've created a bunch of threads lately that are one-sentence with a link. If you want a discussion (and you do, or you wouldn't be posting it), how about a little more effort put into your point?

If you watch the vid in the link, it supports my numerous posts regarding the liberal propaganda machine that is known as the "mainstream media". That is one obvious point. The 2nd and even more important one, is that people need to know about this. If you watch only mainstream news or read so-called mainstream sites like let's say Yahoo, then the most you've heard on this subject is that 3 CNN employees were fired or they quit.

People need to know why. This explains it. It also shows CNN, which is the leading news source for so many on the left, to be what it is. The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

Better?

Historically and globaly seen the US democratic is far from left wing.
You have to start understanding in what kind of country you are living and comparing it to other countries.
Since the years of Reagan and Thatcher the western world has shifted so much to the right it is scary, very scary.

And I mean everyone has the right to his own opinions: if you are happy with a class society, if you are happy with 10s of millions of uninsured people, that is your opinion, but don't come with this crap about liberal CNN.
For us CNN would be very much on the right side of the spectrum, and on happines indexes we are usually doing pretty OK.

Eppie, if you think that the western world has shifted to the right since Reagan and Thatcher, we have nothing further to discuss on this topic. Seriously, try to believe what you see, instead of seeing what you believe.
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06-28-2017, 09:15 PM (This post was last modified: 06-28-2017 10:02 PM by FireIceTalon.)
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RE: American Pravda
Except, Eppie is right, and you are wrong. The western world has unquestionably shifted to the right since Reagan and Thatcher's time, ESPECIALLY in America. How you cannot see this is beyond mind blowing - everything from the gutting of unions, stagnant (or even declining) wages for workers while capitalist profits are higher than ever, more funding towards US military expansion/imperialism, widening gap between the rich and poor, increased incarceration rates (especially for minorities, which is correlated with The War on Drugs), and the gutting of social programs and policies of austerity becoming the norm......to name just a few things on a very, very long list of things.


You are utterly brain-dead or at least extremely delusional if you think the western world, and especially America, has not shifted to the right in the last 40+ years. This should be common knowledge by now. Period.

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06-29-2017, 03:09 AM (This post was last modified: 06-29-2017 03:19 AM by kandrathe.)
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RE: American Pravda
(06-28-2017 08:52 PM)FireIceTalon Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 07:43 PM)eppie Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 03:41 PM)Ashock Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 04:55 AM)Bolty Wrote:  Hi Ashock, you've created a bunch of threads lately that are one-sentence with a link. If you want a discussion (and you do, or you wouldn't be posting it), how about a little more effort put into your point?

If you watch the vid in the link, it supports my numerous posts regarding the liberal propaganda machine that is known as the "mainstream media". That is one obvious point. The 2nd and even more important one, is that people need to know about this. If you watch only mainstream news or read so-called mainstream sites like let's say Yahoo, then the most you've heard on this subject is that 3 CNN employees were fired or they quit.

People need to know why. This explains it. It also shows CNN, which is the leading news source for so many on the left, to be what it is. The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.

Better?

Historically and globaly seen the US democratic is far from left wing.
You have to start understanding in what kind of country you are living and comparing it to other countries.
Since the years of Reagan and Thatcher the western world has shifted so much to the right it is scary, very scary.

And I mean everyone has the right to his own opinions: if you are happy with a class society, if you are happy with 10s of millions of uninsured people, that is your opinion, but don't come with this crap about liberal CNN.
For us CNN would be very much on the right side of the spectrum, and on happines indexes we are usually doing pretty OK.

Pretty much this. The US has basically a centrist party (Democrats) and a very far right party (Republicans). There has never actually been a prominent, genuine left-wing party here (The joke that is the CPUSA does NOT count - they are basically democrats that call themselves communist, but every actual communist knows they are a bourgeois liberal party that backs liberal candidates and isn't a revolutionary party even in the slightest). The most prominent American left-wing figure I can think of was Daniel De Leon, a member of the SLP which was probably best example of an American party committed to revolutionary politics, at least for a time.

I've said it many times before, but it bears repeating. Dems and Republicans are two sides to the same capitalist coin, who have far more similarities than they do differences. Their fundamental disagreement is simply how to best manage the affairs of the ruling class. The Dems just happen to be a little better and more efficient at it, since they are looking at the long-term interests of keeping the capitalist system going, whereas Republicans are more vested in the immediate and short-term goals of the capitalists.
There is no monolithic Democrat or Republican. As for comparative center, both are in actions, centrist, supporting a big federal bureaucracy. Totalitarian yes, but they can be left, right, or as in our case center. It is state power whether they order you to mandatory spending on an insurance product, to comply with a soda ban for your health, or "war on drugs" type state police power. Unions fell apart from within, they were not destroyed from externalities. I saw it firsthand thru the eyes of my Teamster father. He was dedicated, loyal, but what do you do when the job leaves the state or country? As an aside, imagine what happens to teamsters, cab drivers, limos, etc when self driving cars become ubiquitous. How do unions protect workers from obsolescence?

Compared to Europe, we have very little extreme right or left. There are of course, some hundreds of vocal adherents in the extremes. Every once in awhile, they get some press when it can sell some freak show ad revenue.

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06-30-2017, 04:21 PM
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Next part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dRGMME4VnM

More insights into the inner workings of CNN.
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08-18-2017, 12:49 AM (This post was last modified: 08-18-2017 12:50 AM by Occhidiangela.)
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(06-28-2017 03:41 PM)Ashock Wrote:  People need to know why. This explains it. It also shows CNN, which is the leading news source for so many on the left, to be what it is. The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.
Ted Turner started CNN. Ted Turner married Jane Fonda. I wonder, did you roll a 1 on a six sided die, and thus were surprised at how this worked out? Tongue

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08-18-2017, 06:50 PM
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(08-18-2017 12:49 AM)Occhidiangela Wrote:  
(06-28-2017 03:41 PM)Ashock Wrote:  People need to know why. This explains it. It also shows CNN, which is the leading news source for so many on the left, to be what it is. The propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.
Ted Turner started CNN. Ted Turner married Jane Fonda. I wonder, did you roll a 1 on a six sided die, and thus were surprised at how this worked out? Tongue

Ashock,

the democratic party in the US would be considered right wing in most normal countries in the world (apart from places like Zimbabwe, the Philipines, Russia, Australia etc,) CNN, is some kind of super market-economy promotor.......how would this ever be considered left wing? (or do you mean all the commercials for airlines, 5 star hotels and expensive watches that CNN shows?)
If you compare it with FOX news and the other stuff we luckily don't hear much about in Europe (like that Breitbart thing) it is indeed not so extreme right wing, but then you are just fooling yourself.
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08-18-2017, 09:21 PM (This post was last modified: 08-19-2017 12:07 AM by FireIceTalon.)
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Remember who you are dealing with Eppie. According to Ashock, anyone an inch to the left of Steve Bannon is a communist just like me.

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