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Freedom of Speech (did I miss something?)
09-07-2017, 03:33 AM (This post was last modified: 09-07-2017 03:37 AM by Archon_Wing.)
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RE: Freedom of Speech (did I miss something?)
Well, Gandhi certainly has his points and success and inspired others. He is right that often times pursuing justice at any cost is often not the best cause. Causing destruction so we can feel good at night is selfish and often conflict yields only losers. So going out screaming in the name of justice and breaking stuff is not something I can ever approve of. Allowing people to die because of your ideals is why I find many "Prime Directive" episodes of Star Trek disheartening. And it is for that reason, that the quote "It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer" gets tossed around.

But you know, he was kinda wrong on Hitler I believe.

How should I put it? We certainly need our Gandhis because they are the ones that will make the world better in the end, but we need to protect them to a certain degree too from aggression, as their defeat would be too much.

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09-08-2017, 04:11 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2017 12:19 PM by kandrathe.)
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RE: Freedom of Speech (did I miss something?)
The trouble with finding a Gandhi as peaceful leader is not the pacifism, or the bravery to take the punishment without flinching. It is in finding that person who represents your cause, and in whom your own side is motivated to not be allowed to die. People cared, so Gandhi lived.

Pedro Luis Boitel died.

Gandhi wrote cordial letters to Hitler to potentially coerce him to steer away from war. in hindsight, one can see it as naive, although, had it worked (unlikely) we'd maybe have a different viewpoint. At that time, it was also ironic as Hitlers advice to Britain on dealing with the Indian independence movement was to kill Gandhi, and continue to kill activists till the movement ends.

Another book I need to read is Hannah Arendt’s The Origins of Totalitarianism which is suddenly apropos again. The crux of an idea I have that people project their fears and anxieties into socio-political thought and action, and thus are driven by an innate biological admiration and preference for domination with an eventual expression of totalitarianism. It is the genesis of the anti-intellectual rejection of science, or even mere thoughtful discussion, in favor of a grunting tribalism that degenerates into factions ready for a blood letting.

Totalitarianism in the age of Trump: lessons from Hannah Arendt.

Then, regarding nihilism...

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