After gun control...

[Alram]

And then there's snake control.

[kandrathe]

... I'm not as confident, after all there's not enough Samuel L. Jackson to be stationed in every plane, should there be a problem. ...

Evidently there are! I heard tonight that on a United Airlines flight, two plain clothed officers nabbed a dangerous hysterical 59 year old women pacing the aisles and muttering about Pakistan, which earned her a body tackle, a pair of handcuffs, an escort from a fighter jet, diversion to an emergency landing, Swat team, emergency evacuation of the airplane upon reaching ground, and explosive sniffing dogs trampling over everyones luggage strewn out onto the tarmac. Why wasn't I lucky enough to be on that flight? So let's say this blue haired grandma had a screwdriver, some hand cream and matches. What would she be able to do?



SHOOT HER! SHOOOOOT HER!!!

[Rhydderch Hael]

Glazers Doc...use Glazers...No worries of going through the skin of an aircraft then, but you will drop someone, even with a 22 caliber.

PPG. Plasma Projectile Gun. A cohesive bolt of superheated helium plasma. Destructive to organic tissue without penetrating a deep-space pressure hull. You'll need a veritable barrage of them in order to take out a Vorlon in his encounter suit, though...

For problems within this century, however, there's always aluminium hollowpoints or frangible ammunition. Trouble there, of course, is that Kevlar would be able to stop those with no sweat. Then again, find some dude trying to get aboard a plane with a bulletproof vest, and up goes the red flag.

[Lissa]

PPG. Plasma Projectile Gun. A cohesive bolt of superheated helium plasma. Destructive to organic tissue without penetrating a deep-space pressure hull. You'll need a veritable barrage of them in order to take out a Vorlon in his encounter suit, though...

For problems within this century, however, there's always aluminium hollowpoints or frangible ammunition. Trouble there, of course, is that Kevlar would be able to stop those with no sweat. Then again, find some dude trying to get aboard a plane with a bulletproof vest, and up goes the red flag.

Glaser is frangible, it was the first frangible ammo created back in 1974.

[wundergore]

Glaser is frangible, it was the first frangible ammo created back in 1974.

I believe he is thinking about the more modern frangibles. They make a round where the bullet is actually compressed metal particles (think sand). It will damage tissue, but pretty much falls apart if it hits anything more solid than a human body. Neat stuff, but I think heavy clothing (or enough layers) might be enought to defeat this type of round.

They also make lower velocity rounds, specifically for use on airplanes to minimize the risk of over-penetration. I seriously doubt that the air marshalls are packing Federal Hydrashoks in their duty weapons........

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[Doc]

I believe he is thinking about the more modern frangibles. They make a round where the bullet is actually compressed metal particles (think sand). It will damage tissue, but pretty much falls apart if it hits anything more solid than a human body. Neat stuff, but I think heavy clothing (or enough layers) might be enought to defeat this type of round.

They also make lower velocity rounds, specifically for use on airplanes to minimize the risk of over-penetration. I seriously doubt that the air marshalls are packing Federal Hydrashoks in their duty weapons........

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I read some place that air marshals are using bean bag rounds.

I reckon those would work if you aimed for the groin.

[SwissMercenary]

I read some place that air marshals are using bean bag rounds.

I reckon those would work if you aimed for the groin.

They knock the air out of you - quickly.

[Lissa]

I believe he is thinking about the more modern frangibles. They make a round where the bullet is actually compressed metal particles (think sand). It will damage tissue, but pretty much falls apart if it hits anything more solid than a human body. Neat stuff, but I think heavy clothing (or enough layers) might be enought to defeat this type of round.

They also make lower velocity rounds, specifically for use on airplanes to minimize the risk of over-penetration. I seriously doubt that the air marshalls are packing Federal Hydrashoks in their duty weapons........

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As I said, that is exactly what Glasers are. The company that made them in 1974 is still around and improving the rounds consistenly. Google Glaser rounds sometime, you'll find that the company still exists and still is producing and redefining the ammunition.

[--Pete]

Hi,

Problem is with guns on planes is blowing a hole in the plane it self.

Look up 'bulkheads' and 'stringers'. You're not gonna put more than about a foot square hole in the aluminum. About the only really bad place to hit would be where an emergency exit might blow. Low probability there. Second worst would be a window, and again that's a pretty small area.

What I'd worry about is the people behind your target.

But what I'd worry about most is an untrained person picking out the subject of suspicion. A few years ago a business man was tackled, spread, cuffed, etc. immediately upon deboarding a plane. Some hysterical jackass passenger had seen the business man taking off his jacket and transferring his (black) wallet from his coat pocket to his pants pocket. She went to the crew and swore up and down that she'd seen a gun. Imagine what a hysterical jafi* could do with a full load.

--Pete

PS 'Jafi', a useful acronym I recently invented to distinguish the people that are trying to kill you on the highway while talking on their cell phones from those that cannot drive even when not on a cell phone. Jafi is simply 'just another effing idiot'.

[Occhidiangela]

PS 'Jafi', a useful acronym I recently invented to distinguish the people that are trying to kill you on the highway while talking on their cell phones from those that cannot drive even when not on a cell phone. Jafi is simply 'just another effing idiot'.

That's a keeper.

The title of this thread "after gun control" and "knife control" just made me ponder: Birth Control. If there were better birth control, we'd "need" less gun control. Perhaps a flawed premise, but one can dream.

Occhi

[--Pete]

Hi,

The title of this thread "after gun control" and "knife control" just made me ponder: Birth Control. If there were better birth control, we'd "need" less gun control. Perhaps a flawed premise, but one can dream.

The problem is that presently available crystal balls are unreliable. We just don't know which births to control prior to the event (and usually for fifteen or more years after). Which is why, hindsight being 20-20, I'm a strong supporter of retroactive birth control. ;)

--Pete

[Rhydderch Hael]

As I said, that is exactly what Glasers are. The company that made them in 1974 is still around and improving the rounds consistenly. Google Glaser rounds sometime, you'll find that the company still exists and still is producing and redefining the ammunition.

Sorry. I mistook 'Glasers' as an appellation of gamma-ray lasers. Nothing quite says "unwelcome overpenetration" like a coherent beam of high-energy photons.

[wundergore]

I read some place that air marshals are using bean bag rounds.

I reckon those would work if you aimed for the groin.

Or the face........:shuriken:

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[kandrathe]

Sorry. I mistook 'Glasers' as an appellation of gamma-ray lasers. Nothing quite says "unwelcome overpenetration" like a coherent beam of high-energy photons.

But, then again... Do we really want to mix Gamma Radiation and airplanes? Remember what happened last time?

[wundergore]

As I said, that is exactly what Glasers are. The company that made them in 1974 is still around and improving the rounds consistenly. Google Glaser rounds sometime, you'll find that the company still exists and still is producing and redefining the ammunition.

Good info on frangibles here: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/sys...s/frangible.htm

Note the blurb on the Glaser safety slug "Some, like the well-publicized Glaser Safety Slug, are hollowpoint rounds that are filled with tiny metal beads". That's what I thought of when you said Glaser. I didn't realize they had branched out, but I supposed it's only to be expected. My bad.:wacko:

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