Dark Clouds Gather

[mjdoom]

Simply put it will take you longer to get there and raid events will happen less frequently, just because of the nature of the guild.  That style doesnt suit everyone.  At some point you will hit the encounter that requires a level of farming/preparation that probably isn't managable under a more casual schedule (eg, everyone go out and farm 5 elemental fire + x dreamfoil for Ragnaros and get a base FR of 200 unbuffed).  There will be the inevitable struggle between the casual and the hardcore, more properly defined (IMHO) as between the slower paced and faster paced, the people that are ready and able to throw themselves at it now and the people that are content to build slowly to it and get there in the end.

The problem isn't that you guys aren't achieving, far from it.  I just think some people want a faster pace of achievement and quicker progress along the learning curve of encounters.  They've been patient and waited, and while I can't speak for them, i'd guess their complaint is basically the same as mine was back in the day: it's not happening.  Try as you might, it seems that encounter is taking forever to master, and some people (not all, just some!) are making the same basic mistakes they made the first time they zoned in.  That is frustrating; that sucks the fun out of the game.  Eventually those people are drawn to the faster pace with the quicker learning curve, simply because it suits them better.  That's all.

Can you fill up a raid with outsiders?  Sure.  But what it does is introduce another delay.  It's more people that need to be brought up to speed, more people that need to download ventrilo and log on, more people that need to learn where to stand, what to do, how to react, when to move... etc, etc.  It slows things rather than makes it quicker.  And it does introduce drama - perhaps not today, but eventually down the road.  It introduces disruption to the cohesive nature of having a very "sameness" in a raid roster week in week out.
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From my perspective this is the heart of Raziel's post and he has expressed some of it better than I could. In response to Tal it is not a "not good enough" thing; it is the simple realities presented here. The conflicting paces of different players and the inherent details in bringing in new people.

Lurkers is in MC now and as far as I can tell doing pretty well. Still; due to the nature of the beast it will be a long long time (if it ever happens) before Lurkers are properly geared and ready for BWL and beyond. As time goes along and you progress at a slower pace you also increase the chances of Real Life™ or other issues causing people to need to be replaced with others who are not already geared like the previous char was. It is not that Lurkers will not accomplish things; it is that I don't think that the pace at which it will happen suits me well. There is no blame to place here, it's just that thems the facts.

- mjdoom