Quote:The reason i asked is because of an earlier post, "at what clvl does griswold sell" something or other, (i cant remember) and all i could make out from what griswold sells, is that if its under 200000, and your clvl 28 he will sell any item in slot 6, (and if youve been to hell in single player). what i couldnt find was the ilvl to the item the guy wanted to match it to his clvl. but if ilvl and qlvl are basicaly the same are they averaged together ((base qlvl)+(prefix qlvl)+(suffix qlvl)/3) to equal the ilvl? thanks.
Items do not have an ilvl. Things which can give you an item (Griswold, Sir Gorash, a barrel, etc.) have an ilvl. You use Jarulf's Guide to determine the ilvl of the thing which can give you an item, and then you use the ilvl rules for that source to determine the possible qlvl range for the base item, prefix, and suffix. Now if we are starting with the item and trying to determine what source can give it to us, unfortunately we have to work backwards.
Example working forwards: I have a level 15 multiplayer character. What range of premium items can I get from Griswold?
First we determine the ilvl of each of his slots. Ilvl for slots 1 and 2 is clvl-1 = 14. Ilvl for slots 3 and 4 is clvl = 15. Ilvl for slot 5 is clvl +1 = 16. Ilvl for slot 6 is clvl +2 = 17. (Griswold is unusually complicated... most sources have only one ilvl.) It is important to remember that Griswold's maximum ilvl is 30.
Next we determine the qlvl range for the base items based on the ilvls. Range of qlvl for base item of a premium item at Griswold is ilvl/4 to ilvl. So on slots 1 and 2, you can get a base item with qlvl 14/4 to 4. 14/4 in integer math (you always "round down") is 3. So the base item range for slots 1 and 2 is qlvl 3 to 14. For slots 3 and 4 it will be 3 to 15. For slot 5, it will be 4 to 16. For slot 6 it will be 4 to 17.
What about the qlvl range of the prefix and suffix? The formula here is ilvl/2 to ilvl. So for slots 1 and 2 it will be 7 to 14. For slots 3 and 4 it will be 7 to 15. For slot 5, it will be 8 to 16. For slot 6, it will be 8 to 17.
So now you can look at the item charts in Jarulf's Guide, and see all the possible items that character might be offered in each of his slots.
Example working backwards: What level do I have to be to get a massive long war bow of swiftness from Griswold?
Qlvl of long war bow: 19. Qlvl of massive: 20. Qlvl of swiftness: 10. I'm not going to bother to check that the price is low enough, but you can do that if you like.
All three qlvls must be valid at the same ilvl. We want to know every ilvl for which this is possible.
Ilvl where base item qlvl 19 is possible: ilvl/4 to ilvl = 19. The minimum here is obviously 19. The maximum would be 19*4 + (4-1) = 79, but since the maximum ilvl at Gris is 30 let's stick with that. So ilvl 19-30 at Gris could give us a long war bow.
Ilvl where suffix qlvl 10 is possible: ivl/2 to ilvl = 10. The max would be ilvl = 10*2 + (2-1) = 21. The min would be ilvl = 10.
Ilvl where prefix qlvl 20 is possible: ilvl/2 to ilvl = 20. The min would be 20. The max would be 41, but again actually we can't go higher than 30 at Gris.
So when we put all three together, we take the highest min and the lowest max, and this is our valid ilvl range. The highest min is 20, for massive. The lowest max is 21, for swiftness. So the ilvl at Gris has to be between 20 and 21, for us to have any chance at a massive long war bow of swiftness.
Now unfortunately, Gris has these different ilvls for each slot, so we are back to that deal again. Slots 1 and 2 have ilvl = clvl -1. So on these slots you would have to be between levels 21 and 22. Slots 3 and 4 have ilvl = clvl, so here you would have to be between levels 20 and 21. Slot 5 has ilvl = clvl +1, so here you would have to be between 19 and 20. Slot 6 has ilvl = clvl +2, so you would have to be between 18 and 19.
So you can see that the total range of levels where Gris could give you this item in multiplayer is clvl 18 to 22. However, he would be most likely to give it you at clvl 21 (when it is available from 4 of 6 slots). So if you were going to shop over and over again specifically for this item, you would want to do it preferably with a clvl 21 character.
Hopefully, this helps. Griswold is the most complicated case, so if you can figure out how to do items at Griswold, then items from monsters should be a breeze.
Edit: Let's try using the right numbers when doing the calculations...