10-26-2011, 12:02 AM
(This post was last modified: 10-26-2011, 03:19 AM by FireIceTalon.)
(10-25-2011, 08:38 AM)Jester Wrote:(10-25-2011, 02:45 AM)FireIceTalon Wrote: The people representing and involved in those newspapers or churches can go to the voting booth like the rest of us, same with the corporations and unions. Money shouldn't be free speech in my opinion.
The right to vote and the right to free speech are two separate rights. Having one does not negate the other...
-Jester
But by equating money to free speech, is essentially giving such individuals or parties TWO votes. No democracy there. There are LIMITS on free speech as I said before, and conflating money and politics is one of them because it infringes, even if indirectly, on other groups, or individuals, rights by rendering their vote meaningless. Corruption, especially when hidden or protected behind constitutional rights, undermines democracy.
"Totalitarian Communist state" - ROFL. Impossible, since communism and totalitarianism cannot fundatmentally co-exist. For communism to exist, there must be democracy in the first place. If there isn't democracy, or if the state is involved, then it ain't communism (though it could be socialism, depending on the ratio of democracy and state/corporate control) since in such a society it is the people, NOT the state, which own the means to production and makes collective decisions regarding politics and civil matters in a democratic fashion. A totalitarian state is undemocratic, thus it destroys the very principles of Marxism and would forbid it to exist. People need to quit looking at Stalin, Mao, and Pol-Pot (who were not communist by any stretch of the imagination, Lenin and Trotsky are debatable) and start looking at REAL Marxist proponents like Rosa Luxemburg, Karl Liebknecht, Clara Zetkin, and Franz Mehring if they really wish to understand it.
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"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)
"Your very ideas are but the outgrowth of conditions of your bourgeois production and bourgeois property, just as your jurisprudence is but the will of your class, made into law for all, a will whose essential character and direction are determined by the economic conditions of the existence of your class." - Marx (addressing the bourgeois)