11-24-2011, 08:11 AM
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191764' dateline='1322058796'] Here, we do have a large "dependency class" that if given the opportunity to rely entirely on the government for support, will do so. [quote]
If a country has a capable government you ill not have a dependency class. (there will alwasy be the individuals but these numbers are not so high).
If as a 1st world state you don't manage to make sure all your citizens are above the poverty level and all of your citizen grow up in neighbourhoods that are not ruled by gangs noone will choose to be in the 'dependency class'......you can tell nice stories about people lying on the couch waiting for huge handouts but it just sucks.....no hopes, not a lot of money everybody looks down on you etc. etc. It is a right wing fairytale that people like being dependent on wellfare.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191764' dateline='1322058796']
I would agree that parental leave is good, and we have that. The question is who pays, the government (taxes everyone), the employer, or the individual. ..........I tend to favor having the individual pay for their own expensive decisions (like living in a flood plain. Heh, I just equated childbirth to a natural disaster). Having sex is fun and easy, but rearing children is not. People should not be encouraged by the government to have more children. [/quote]
The employer? Say goodbye to employer employing young people and women in general.....let's only hire old men because they will not get any babies anymore!
The individual? Most western societies have low birthrates....it is becoming increasingly difficult for people who both work to manage a child as well. And both working is not just for going on nice holidays twice a year...our capitalistic societies demand us normal people to both have a job.....only the guys with very high salaries manage to have there wife at home taking care of the house and the kids.......and many of the wife actually want to work themselves (equality you know).
I know globally we have much to many people, but in western countries that is not the case.....so we need people to take care of us once we are old. It seems not only fair but also necessary that the states support people that have children.
If a country has a capable government you ill not have a dependency class. (there will alwasy be the individuals but these numbers are not so high).
If as a 1st world state you don't manage to make sure all your citizens are above the poverty level and all of your citizen grow up in neighbourhoods that are not ruled by gangs noone will choose to be in the 'dependency class'......you can tell nice stories about people lying on the couch waiting for huge handouts but it just sucks.....no hopes, not a lot of money everybody looks down on you etc. etc. It is a right wing fairytale that people like being dependent on wellfare.
[quote='kandrathe' pid='191764' dateline='1322058796']
I would agree that parental leave is good, and we have that. The question is who pays, the government (taxes everyone), the employer, or the individual. ..........I tend to favor having the individual pay for their own expensive decisions (like living in a flood plain. Heh, I just equated childbirth to a natural disaster). Having sex is fun and easy, but rearing children is not. People should not be encouraged by the government to have more children. [/quote]
The employer? Say goodbye to employer employing young people and women in general.....let's only hire old men because they will not get any babies anymore!
The individual? Most western societies have low birthrates....it is becoming increasingly difficult for people who both work to manage a child as well. And both working is not just for going on nice holidays twice a year...our capitalistic societies demand us normal people to both have a job.....only the guys with very high salaries manage to have there wife at home taking care of the house and the kids.......and many of the wife actually want to work themselves (equality you know).
I know globally we have much to many people, but in western countries that is not the case.....so we need people to take care of us once we are old. It seems not only fair but also necessary that the states support people that have children.