the outcome of the election

[Occhidiangela]

1.  The difference is that Bush has proven that he will take actions that result in the death of innocent men, women and children, while Kerry angers veterans because the war experience affected his ideals. 

2.  but I do fear for freedom under the patriot act.

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On point 1: Just as President Clinton did in Serbia, not to mention in the Sudan. Just as every Palestinian will do if given a chance in Israel. So what? Innocence is a presumtion, not a fact. You are also working from somewhat flawed information. For example, that was no wedding in Ar Ramadi back in May. Period.

As to that nasty thing called "collateral damage"" . . . When folks hide behind the skirts of their women, in a war, the shields sometimes get hit. Try looking at reality, rather than a phantom utopia that cannot be achieved. Also consider what you and others can do to stop the homicide by vehicle, 50,000 presumed innnocent per year, commited by careless drivers, unlicensed drivers, drunk drivers, and incompetent drivers. That is something you may actually be able to make a difference with, MAAD sure has, when backed up by a bunch of other concerned citizens. :blink:

As to point 2, I added the numbers for organizational reasons, you are not alone, and writing your Congressman and Senators is a good place to start. Might want to add to that concern the waste, fraud, and abuse that is the creation of "Department of Homeland Security" and the "NTSA."

Occhi