the outcome of the election

[Occhidiangela]

Frankly, these topics are a good read up until about page 4, then it gets tedious to read it all.  I'll just add my 2-3 cents here since I didn't read anything about it in the first 4 pages (after that it was a lot of toned down flaming).

GW Bush, I think is a hypocrite.  So are all conservative christians.  Christianity is based on Jesus, a liberal.  I mean, he died for the world's sins, he insisted change in the laws of the time, gave to the poor as much as he could, how much more liberal can you be?  The bible says plenty of things, including how there should be no gay marriages, but then again it also says we can't eat shrimp.
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If you bother to read the Bible, you'd probably see Jesus as a fundamentalist Hebrew Rabbi. He has more, if you believ the stories in the Bible, in common with the Fundies who decry hedonism, materialism, and loss of focus on "the Word" than he does with secularists.

Being antiestablishment does not make one a liberal, ask any Libertarian!

Jesus, per the Gospels, very much an anti establishment sort of fellow, very much along the line of, say, Martin Luther, in that he went back to the fundamentals and harrassed the too comfortable religious authorities (not the secular authorities, the Romans) about their having become . . . hypocrites.

You might want to try reading the Bible, or even the pertinent parts of it, before you make such a comment. I read it often after I hear someone quote it out of context, typically a Fundie, to see what bits are being left out. Sneaky me!

On the other hand, you could argue that Jesus was indeed quite the Liberal!

Why do say that? He encouraged people to pay taxes without question.

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars!" hehe So maybe you had a little bit of a point . . . by accident.

Occhi