the outcome of the election

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Does anyone really believe that the islamicist movement will wither up if we appease them?  I think we are damned if we act and double damned if we don't act.  Does anyone think that a person who is willing to behead another is going to stop if they get their way?  The stated goal of the islamicist theocratic movement is the total destruction of Isreal and the West and everything they stand for to be replaced by a pan-islamofascist state.  We are at war with the people who are not guided by western concepts of reason or fairness.  We call them extremists.  I think it would be a big mistake to assume they think as we do; this is a jihad and if they die in its cause they are martyrs to be guaranteed heaven.  I don't want to be tolerant of terrorists or murderers.
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:)&nbsp; Now I got that off my chest.
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I think the problem is not fundatmentally with islamd but with poverty. There had to come a time that countries (or people) did not agree anymore with the division of rich and poor (1st 2nd 3rd world). The best way to start a revolt is of course to use religion (poor against rich does not work because as soon as a poor man gets rich he switches sides). The fundamentalism was existing for a long time, only did not work so good since most muslims still did not see a reason to hate the west, okay there was Israel..but okay. Now when the conflcit gets fired up from two sides everyhting is possible. We in the rich west were not so smart to see that deep inside religion was not the problem here. Instead we put oil on the fire. You cannot expect the side of the muslims to stop very soon, after Iraq, it will take (like Armin said) 10s of years before you have children there that don't hate us, and they have nothing to lose.

So long story short, religion is not the cause here in this conflict, is it a tool people use to get their way, if we want to end this conflict we should work on major economic reforms. Which means forcing the people in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait etc. to work the way we want. To make sure that there the monet doesn't stay in the hand of some sjeiks (bush friends) but goes to the people. Going to the poorest countries in the region to make trouble started a conflict, it did not end one.