the outcome of the election

[Minionman]

I picked Kerry.

Good for you, you voted. YAY!

On the economy and thiis foreign policy stuff, I didn't see one person or the other standing out, and I don't think it really matters either way.  National security seems to depend mainly on people doing the work in the army, FBI, etc. 

May I point out to you that the foreign policy and the security things, are all driven by resources ( in terms of what is possible, which does not necessarily mean that all decisions optimally use resources) and that your tax dollars support those.  The economy can be influenced somewhat by policy, but not completely.  



I disagree with you there, they could either of them really screw it up.  As to how "right" any President can get the economy, one wonders.



Please be better informed in 2006 and 2008.  It will make your vote more informed, and you better at peace with your decision one way or another.  My take on education at this point is that public education has become a massive political battleground, since about school bussing, probably before, and it has not ended.  Its core function seems to get lost in the battle.  Bad news.  Neither candidate offered me a vision I believed.

The main reasons I went one way were Bush's gay marriage and stem cell views, and in general the way he talks about those "family values" and "moral decay" related stuff.  Abortion itself I don't care that much on, but other related issues I have stronger feelings.

At least you are strongly for a few issues that matter to you, and I personally support your concern in re a nonsensical position on the stem cell issue.  Me, I am in favor of abortion as a choice, but I refuse to let Abortion be an issue on which I base any political decision.  I consider it a medical and spiritual (human spirit,  not religion) decision made by the parties concerned who did that sex thing.  The government needs to get out of it.

There are a few issues that I don't seem to really fit anyone on.   Gun laws I think should be left up to states or particular areas, whether this mucks up laws or not is up for grabs.  Taxes, social security, and healthcare I 'd probably come up with different stuff than what most people are saying.

While you are coming up with different stuff than what most people are saying, could you say some of it here?   :lol:   One can get tired of seeing the same old thing, a few fresh view points would be most welcome, by me in any case.  Maybe you do have the next great idea! 

Occhi

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Cool it a little about 2006 and 2008. I only got really interested in elections/politics in general in the past year or so, and only got into this election in the last few months, so I'm snew at this. Two/four years gives me some time to get the hang of things and learn some more about people.


O.K., I'll admit it, on the "different ideas" subjects I mentioned, such as taxes and such, I have a lot of researching things to do, which may or may not get done. On other issues: So far I have the bit about gun control. On strategies with drugs, I think either it should be state by state or some drugs might be legalized and than taxed by alot. Drug use may or may not go up depending on education, ads, or just something else in the mix. Import taxes on oil might be a way to get more money while hopefully not annoying oil regions, helping environmental people with something they want, and some people would like that idea of controlling imports. Yes, this one does seem to have big problems like that people would hate the higher prices for oil products, there a probably a lot of people who actually need a lot of fuel no matter what need fuel, and that free trade people woudn't like it, some countries might do the same thing. This one is the wildest one. The gun laws again I think should be done state by state, or even county by county, although this might cause problems with people getting guns in one state than going to another with more gun control and commiting crimes.

On health care, taxes and social security, I'll support anything that seems to work the best, whether it's government, buisiness, mixed, or something else I don't really care.

On "values", I think the most important social/moral issues are equal opportunity and tolerance, which people do talk about, and the ideas of getting people to work hard, teaching good decision making, learning to save money, those types. They don't seem to get brought up much, so people in general seem neutral on how important they are, or maybe I just can't see around me to well. The last two are ones that people haven't seemed to mention. I don't think "values" such as drugs and sex should be regulated except maybe in extreme cases, since that doesn't show people how to analyse things and make good decisions on them, these values shuld be learned, and it wastes money. In all fairness, I don't think the government can do anything about these values, and I can't either, so they are just opinions. What I can make decisions based on opinions is just in things like gay rights and stem cell research.

Yes there is some irony in me talking about analysing things and than not alalysing the election much. I guess I'll be working on that.


Also, on a side note, this is by far the fastest growing thread I have seen ever on the lurker lounge. Wow. It actually added posts while I was reading and posting, most of the time threads grow pretty slowly.

Edit: slightly cleared up some paragraphs