About this left/right talk, to me it doesn't seem to matter whether people are more "left" or "right", it's more a style thing. More "liberal" types get though of as a bunch of whiners, and/or clueless, while the "conservaticve" types are though of some kick ass people. Really, what more liberal types seem to need is not so much to move in different left/right directions as to find some issues that will fire people up. In this presidential election Bush's major issues were terrorists and religious stuff, and they got people fired up his way. At the convention when he talked about "ownership society", I'll agree with that in a non sarcastic way, the only problems are in how to get it done. Kerry didn't run on any issuess, as people have said. Maybe if he had hit the economy more that would have got people more supportive.
The words "liberal", "conservative", "leftist", etc. are also used for so many different ways that arguing about going "liberal" or "conservative" really has no point. "conservative" could mean someone is against abortion, gay marriage, possibly that they are rsascist, but it also could be used to mean they are hard working, save money, etc. I have heard both of these, and they don't necessarilt go together. The "hollywood liberals" are more of the whining type, while my guess is that.
More on the whining, the bits here about the "middle america" and some stuff I hear around school show perfectly well why liberal types are seen as whiners. At schoold there's this one person whose opinion is always "Bush will win" "people are so stupid", etc. I hate listening to this again and again, because they seem to want to whine instead of doing anything. They think more about how to whine than win elections or at least help convince other people off their views. I had a sort of argument yesterday about young voters, someone was arguing that young voters from, say, Texas wouldn't have voted for Kerry, but didn't notice that he had picked an area that always goes one way, young voters from, say, Ohio, could be convinced as a group one way or the other. They also don't noticed that whining just makes them look bad.
The last paragrpah was a half rant, so it's kind of hard to read. These thoughts are coming out kind of jumbled, and I know there was more to say.
I have heard some good viewpoints, one person was talking about why they thought more black people should vote, they said, and believed, that since people had died to get them this right, they should use it. Much better than complaining about non city areas. This particular person does a lot of community service work, and gets good grades, so I guess they are more used to going out and doing thingas instewad of complaining.
Edit: the first and fourth paragraphs aren't any part rants. The second one does have some real thoughts in it, it is only partially ranting about the whining, as the third one says.
The words "liberal", "conservative", "leftist", etc. are also used for so many different ways that arguing about going "liberal" or "conservative" really has no point. "conservative" could mean someone is against abortion, gay marriage, possibly that they are rsascist, but it also could be used to mean they are hard working, save money, etc. I have heard both of these, and they don't necessarilt go together. The "hollywood liberals" are more of the whining type, while my guess is that.
More on the whining, the bits here about the "middle america" and some stuff I hear around school show perfectly well why liberal types are seen as whiners. At schoold there's this one person whose opinion is always "Bush will win" "people are so stupid", etc. I hate listening to this again and again, because they seem to want to whine instead of doing anything. They think more about how to whine than win elections or at least help convince other people off their views. I had a sort of argument yesterday about young voters, someone was arguing that young voters from, say, Texas wouldn't have voted for Kerry, but didn't notice that he had picked an area that always goes one way, young voters from, say, Ohio, could be convinced as a group one way or the other. They also don't noticed that whining just makes them look bad.
The last paragrpah was a half rant, so it's kind of hard to read. These thoughts are coming out kind of jumbled, and I know there was more to say.
I have heard some good viewpoints, one person was talking about why they thought more black people should vote, they said, and believed, that since people had died to get them this right, they should use it. Much better than complaining about non city areas. This particular person does a lot of community service work, and gets good grades, so I guess they are more used to going out and doing thingas instewad of complaining.
Edit: the first and fourth paragraphs aren't any part rants. The second one does have some real thoughts in it, it is only partially ranting about the whining, as the third one says.
I may be dead, but I'm not old (source: see lavcat)
The gloves come off, I'm playing hardball. It's fourth and 15 and you're looking at a full-court press. (Frank Drebin in The Naked Gun)
Some people in forums do the next best thing to listening to themselves talk, writing and reading what they write (source, my brother)
The gloves come off, I'm playing hardball. It's fourth and 15 and you're looking at a full-court press. (Frank Drebin in The Naked Gun)
Some people in forums do the next best thing to listening to themselves talk, writing and reading what they write (source, my brother)